5-4
The podcast artwork is based on the Supreme Court Building
Presentation
Hosted byRhiannon Hamam
Michael Liroff
Peter Shamshiri
GenrePolitics
FormatAudio
Narrated byLeon Neyfakh
LanguageEnglish
LengthApproximately 40–60 minutes
Production
ProductionPrologue Projects
Theme music composed bySpatial Relations
No. of episodes107
Publication
Original releaseFebruary 25, 2020 (2020-02-25)
Related
WebsiteOfficial website

5-4 (pronounced "five to four") is a podcast that covers the U.S. Supreme Court from a critical, progressive perspective. The podcast's tagline describes it as being "about how much the Supreme Court sucks", and providing an "irreverent tour of all the ways in which the law is shaped by politics."[1] It was launched by Leon Neyfakh's Prologue Projects in partnership with the Westwood One Podcast Network.

Premise

The hosts are self-described advocates for legal realism.[2]

The first episode of the podcast was about Bush v. Gore.[3][4]

History

5-4 was launched in February 2020 by Leon Neyfakh's Prologue Projects in partnership with Westwood One Podcast Network (which has since been renamed Cumulus Podcast Network). Its hosts, Rhiannon, Peter, and Michael, maintain semi-anonymous profiles as podcast hosts, disclosing only their first names and a "handful of biographical details" in any given episode.[5] Rhiannon worked as a public defender in Austin, Texas; Peter previously served as in-house counsel for MetLife and was fired upon his employer's finding out about his role on the podcast; Michael was a former associate at Sullivan & Cromwell, and self-described “reformed corporate lawyer.”[6][7][2]

Neyfakh's original advertising partnership with Westwood One failed to generate significant revenue for the podcast, so the decision was made to instead fund its production through Patreon. The following month, Nicholas Quah wrote in Vulture: "After its pivot to Patreon, 5-4 is now significantly better positioned for the next stage of its life, and its experience stands as a good example of the fact that a race for scale isn't the only way to run a shop in this business."[4]

Notable guests

Elected American politicians have been guests on the show. Sheldon Whitehouse, Senator of Rhode Island, appeared on the podcast in 2021.[8] Senator Elizabeth Warren, a "fan", was a guest in July 2022.[9] Representatives Ro Khanna and Mondaire Jones appeared in separate episodes, discussing court reform.[10][11]

Jamelle Bouie discussed the Democratic political strategy in July 2022.[12]

Alec Karakatsanis appeared, criticizing the U.S. legal system.[13]

Reception

Within a week of its launch in February 2021, the 5-4 Patreon had accumulated almost 3,000 paid subscribers, enough to generate roughly $200,000 in revenue each year.[4] As of July 2022, it earns $35,000 per month.[14] It is the 39th most popular podcast tracked by Graphtreon, and the 101st most popular Patreon project overall.[15] The podcast has typically been well-received, with the hosts' "funny, forceful" argumentation" and "enthusiastically acidic takes on the once-widely revered American legal institution" praised for making the law more accessible to its listeners and everyday people.[2][7] It particularly gained popularity in the summer of 2022, after the overturning of Roe v. Wade under Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization; the month of the Dobbs decision, the number of episode downloads increased 90% from the last year.[7][16]

Episodes

As of December 16, 2023, 5–4 has had the following episodes:[17]

2020

No.TitleGuestOriginal release date
1"Bush v. Gore"NoneFebruary 25, 2020 (2020-02-25)
2"Citizens United v. FEC"NoneMarch 3, 2020 (2020-03-03)
3"Fisher v. University of Texas"NoneMarch 10, 2020 (2020-03-10)
Includes discussion of Fisher I and Fisher II
4"Shelby County v. Holder"NoneMarch 17, 2020 (2020-03-17)
5"Terry v. Ohio"NoneMarch 24, 2020 (2020-03-24)
6"NFIB v. Sebelius"NoneMarch 31, 2020 (2020-03-31)
7"Trump v. Hawaii"NoneApril 7, 2020 (2020-04-07)
8"Emergency Episode: RNC v. DNC"NoneApril 8, 2020 (2020-04-08)
9"Castle Rock v. Gonzales"NoneApril 14, 2020 (2020-04-14)
10"Kelo v. New London"NoneApril 21, 2020 (2020-04-21)
11"DC v. Heller"NoneApril 28, 2020 (2020-04-28)
12"The Biden Court"NoneMay 5, 2020 (2020-05-05)
Episode discusses the possible effects of the 2020 United States elections on the Supreme Court and how it might change under Joe Biden's presidency
13"Clapper v. Amnesty International"NoneMay 12, 2020 (2020-05-12)
14"Tison v. Arizona"NoneMay 19, 2020 (2020-05-19)
15"Buck v. Bell"NoneMay 26, 2020 (2020-05-26)
16"Burwell v. Hobby Lobby"NoneJune 2, 2020 (2020-06-02)
17"Hernandez v. Mesa"Steven VladeckJune 9, 2020 (2020-06-09)
18"Bostock v. Clayton County, Georgia"NoneJune 16, 2020 (2020-06-16)
19"Exxon Shipping v. Baker"NoneJune 17, 2020 (2020-06-17)
20"Qualified Immunity"NoneJune 23, 2020 (2020-06-23)
21"Janus v. AFSCME"NoneJune 30, 2020 (2020-06-30)
22"Buckley v. Valeo"NoneJuly 7, 2020 (2020-07-07)
23"Epic Systems v. Lewis"NoneJuly 14, 2020 (2020-07-14)
24"Bennis v. Michigan"NoneJuly 21, 2020 (2020-07-21)
25"Term Recap: 2019–2020"NoneAugust 4, 2020 (2020-08-04)
26"Milliken v. Bradley"Leon NeyfakhAugust 11, 2020 (2020-08-11)
27"Boy Scouts of America v. Dale"NoneAugust 18, 2020 (2020-08-18)
28"Nielsen v. Preap"NoneAugust 25, 2020 (2020-08-25)
29"Flood v. Kuhn"AdamSeptember 1, 2020 (2020-09-01)
30"Voting Rights"NoneSeptember 8, 2020 (2020-09-08)
31"LA v. Lyons"NoneSeptember 15, 2020 (2020-09-15)
32"What RBG Didn't Understand"NoneSeptember 21, 2020 (2020-09-21)
Discusses Ruth Bader Ginsburg's decision to not retire under Obama
33"Amy Coney Barrett is a Right Wing Freak"NoneSeptember 29, 2020 (2020-09-29)
34"'What if Trump Dies?' And Other Questions"NoneOctober 6, 2020 (2020-10-06)
35"The Electoral College Coup is Coming"NoneOctober 13, 2020 (2020-10-13)
36"Rucho v. Common Cause"NoneOctober 20, 2020 (2020-10-20)
37"How to Fix the Court feat. Rep. Ro Khanna"Ro KhannaOctober 27, 2020 (2020-10-27)
TBA"Reliving Bush v. Gore"NoneNovember 3, 2020 (2020-11-03)
The episode on Bush v. Gore is replayed after an introduction discussing cases about the 2020 US election.
38"The Courts Can't Save Him"NoneNovember 10, 2020 (2020-11-10)
39"Arizona Free Enterprise v. Bennett"NoneNovember 17, 2020 (2020-11-17)
40"Ashcroft v. Iqbal"NoneDecember 1, 2020 (2020-12-01)
41"Roman Catholic Diocese v. Cuomo"NoneDecember 8, 2020 (2020-12-08)
42"Herrera v. Collins"NoneDecember 15, 2020 (2020-12-15)
43"5–4 x Know Your Enemy"Know Your EnemyDecember 29, 2020 (2020-12-29)
This crossover episode with Know Your Enemy discusses the conservative legal movement.

2021

No.TitleGuestOriginal release date
44"The Rise and Fall of Roe v. Wade, Pt. 1"NoneJanuary 12, 2021 (2021-01-12)
45"The Rise and Fall of Roe v. Wade, Pt. 2"NoneJanuary 19, 2021 (2021-01-19)
Discusses Planned Parenthood v. Casey
46"Morse v. Frederick"NoneJanuary 26, 2021 (2021-01-26)
47"Navarette v. California"NoneFebruary 2, 2021 (2021-02-02)
48"US v. Morrison"NoneFebruary 9, 2021 (2021-02-09)
49"Atkins v. Virginia"NoneFebruary 16, 2021 (2021-02-16)
50"McCleskey v. Kemp ft. Josie Duffy Rice"Josie Duffy RiceFebruary 23, 2021 (2021-02-23)
TBA"Antonin Scalia [PATREON-ONLY]"NoneMarch 2, 2021 (2021-03-02)
51"San Antonio ISD v. Rodriguez ft. Alec Karakatsanis"Alec KarakatsanisMarch 9, 2021 (2021-03-09)
52"Toyota Motor Manufacturing, Kentucky Inc. v. Williams"NoneMarch 16, 2021 (2021-03-16)
TBA"The Worst of the Worst: The Trump Judges [PATREON-ONLY]"NoneMarch 23, 2021 (2021-03-23)
53"Connick v. Thompson"NoneMarch 30, 2021 (2021-03-30)
54"5–4 x Even More News"Katy Stoll, Cody JohnsonApril 6, 2021 (2021-04-06)
This crossover episode discusses recent voting rights cases and the For the People Act.
55"Hoffman Plastic Compounds, Inc. v. National Labor Relations Board"NoneApril 13, 2021 (2021-04-13)
TBA"The Insular Cases [PATREON-ONLY]"NoneApril 20, 2021 (2021-04-20)
56"Bowles v. Russell"Josie Duffy Rice, Jay WillisApril 27, 2021 (2021-04-27)
57"Get Us to Seven feat. Rep. Mondaire Jones"Mondaire JonesMay 4, 2021 (2021-05-04)
Discussion includes the Judiciary Act of 2021, Supreme Court reform, and the Biden Commission
TBA"Roe v. Wade: The Movie [PATREON-ONLY]"NoneMay 11, 2021 (2021-05-11)
58"Jones v. Mississippi"NoneMay 18, 2021 (2021-05-18)
58"Wal-Mart Stores, Inc. v. Dukes"NoneMay 25, 2021 (2021-05-25)
TBA"Brett Kavanaugh [PATREON-ONLY]"NoneJune 1, 2021 (2021-06-01)
60"5–4 x Even More News — Abortion Rights"Even More NewsJune 8, 2021 (2021-06-08)
Discusses the implications for abortion rights in the US after the Supreme Court granted certiorari to hear Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization
61"Smith v. Maryland"Even More NewsJune 15, 2021 (2021-06-15)
62"Meet Nick Wallace"Nick WallaceJune 21, 2021 (2021-06-21)
63"Fulton v. Philadelphia"NoneJune 29, 2021 (2021-06-29)
TBA"Textualism [PATREON-ONLY]"NoneJune 29, 2021 (2021-06-29)
64"Cedar Point Nursery v. Hassid"NoneJuly 6, 2021 (2021-07-06)
TBA"Why Supreme Court Media Coverage Sucks [PATREON-ONLY]"NoneJuly 27, 2021 (2021-07-27)
65"Brnovich v. Democratic National Committee"NoneAugust 3, 2021 (2021-08-03)
66"American for Prosperity v. Bonta"NoneAugust 10, 2021 (2021-08-10)
TBA"Stephen Breyer [PATREON-ONLY]"NoneAugust 17, 2021 (2021-08-17)
67"Nestlé v. Doe"NoneAugust 24, 2021 (2021-08-24)
68"Welcome to Law School"NoneAugust 31, 2021 (2021-08-31)
69"SB8: Whole Woman's Health v. Jackson"NoneSeptember 3, 2021 (2021-09-03)
TBA"Eviction Moratorium: A Perfect Storm of Conservative Bullshit [PATREON-ONLY]"NoneSeptember 14, 2021 (2021-09-14)
70"Adoptive Couple v. Baby Girl"NoneSeptember 21, 2021 (2021-09-21)
71"Nieves v. Bartlett"NoneOctober 5, 2021 (2021-10-05)
72"2021–2022 Supreme Court Term Preview"Elie MystalOctober 5, 2021 (2021-10-05)
TBA"The Justices are Getting Defensive [PATREON-ONLY]"NoneOctober 19, 2021 (2021-10-19)
73"Younger v. Harris"NoneOctober 26, 2021 (2021-10-26)
74"Hamdi v. Rumsfeld"NoneNovember 2, 2021 (2021-11-02)
75"'This Is A Captured Institution' – An Interview with Senator Sheldon Whitehouse"Sheldon WhitehouseNovember 9, 2021 (2021-11-09)
76"Michigan v. Environmental Protection Agency"NoneNovember 16, 2021 (2021-11-16)
TBA"The Failed Nomination of Robert Bork [PATREON-ONLY]"NoneNovember 23, 2021 (2021-11-23)
77"Town of Greece v. Galloway"NoneNovember 16, 2021 (2021-11-16)
TBA"The Warren Court: 5 Out of 5 Stars [PATREON-ONLY]"NoneDecember 14, 2021 (2021-12-14)
78"The 5–4 Giving Guide: How to Help"NoneDecember 24, 2021 (2021-12-24)

2022

No.TitleGuestOriginal release date
TBA"The Return of the Rise and Fall of Roe v. Wade, Pt. 1"NoneJanuary 4, 2022 (2022-01-04)
Rerun of "Rise and Fall of Roe v. Wade, Pt. 1"
TBA"The Return of the Rise and Fall of Roe v. Wade, Pt. 2"NoneJanuary 4, 2022 (2022-01-04)
Rerun of "Rise and Fall of Roe v. Wade, Pt. 2"
79"Florida v. Riley"NoneJanuary 18, 2022 (2022-01-18)
80"NFIB v. Department of Labor"NoneJanuary 18, 2022 (2022-01-18)
TBA"The Best Amendment (The Ninth) [PATREON-ONLY]"NoneFebruary 1, 2022 (2022-02-01)
81"Parents Involved in Community Schools v. Seattle School District No. 1"NoneFebruary 8, 2022 (2022-02-08)
82"Ingraham v. Wright"NoneFebruary 15, 2022 (2022-02-15)
TBA"The Lochner Era [PATREON-ONLY]"NoneFebruary 22, 2022 (2022-02-22)
83"Merrill v. Milligan"NoneMarch 1, 2022 (2022-03-01)
84"We Need to Talk About Ginni"NoneMarch 8, 2022 (2022-03-08)
TBA"The Civil Rights Cases of 1883 [PATREON-ONLY]"NoneMarch 15, 2022 (2022-03-15)
85"Strickland v. Washington"NoneMarch 22, 2022 (2022-03-22)
86"Lorillard Tobacco Co. v. Reilly"NoneMarch 29, 2022 (2022-03-29)
TBA"How the Biden SCOTUS Commission Radicalized One Law Professor [PATREON-ONLY]"Kermit Roosevelt IIIApril 12, 2022 (2022-04-12)
87"Immigration and Naturalization Service v. Elias-Zacarias"NoneApril 19, 2022 (2022-04-19)
88"Lassiter v. Department of Social Services"NoneApril 26, 2022 (2022-04-26)
89"Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health: The End of Roe"NoneMay 4, 2022 (2022-05-04)
TBA"5–4 Live in Oakland [PATREON-ONLY]"NoneMay 10, 2022 (2022-05-10)
90"United States v. Vaello Madero"NoneMay 17, 2022 (2022-05-17)
91"Whren v. United States"NoneMay 24, 2022 (2022-05-24)
92"Brett Kavanaugh – Unlocked Premium Episode"NoneMay 31, 2022 (2022-05-31)
93"Federal Election Commission v. Ted Cruz for Senate"NoneJune 7, 2022 (2022-06-07)
TBA"5–4 x Know Your Enemy: 'Overturning Roe, Part One'"NoneJune 14, 2022 (2022-06-14)
94"Egbert v. Boule"NoneJune 21, 2022 (2022-06-21)
95"Emergency Episode: Roe is Overturned"NoneJune 25, 2022 (2022-06-25)
Discusses Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization.
96"Shinn v. Ramirez"NoneJune 28, 2022 (2022-06-28)
97"Kennedy v. Bremerton School District"NoneJuly 12, 2022 (2022-07-12)
98"West Virginia v. Environmental Protection Agency"NoneJuly 19, 2022 (2022-07-19)
99"WTF Are The Dems Doing? with Jamelle Bouie"Jamelle BouieJuly 26, 2022 (2022-07-26)
100"'We can make Roe the law everywhere' – An Interview with Senator Elizabeth Warren"Elizabeth WarrenJuly 28, 2022 (2022-07-28)
TBA"Free Speech, Cancel Culture, and the Court [PATREON-ONLY]"NoneAugust 2, 2022 (2022-08-02)
101"Oklahoma v. Castro-Huerta"NoneAugust 9, 2022 (2022-08-09)
102"New York State Rifle and Pistol Association v. Bruen"NoneAugust 9, 2022 (2022-08-09)
TBA"Harriet Miers Gets Wrecked [PATREON-ONLY]"NoneAugust 23, 2022 (2022-08-23)
103"Welcome to Law School (Again)"NoneAugust 30, 2022 (2022-08-30)
Rerun of episode 68.
104"Vega v. Tekoh"NoneSeptember 13, 2022 (2022-09-13)
105"Minor v. Happersett"NoneSeptember 20, 2022 (2022-09-20)
TBA"Ketanji Brown Jackson [PATREON-ONLY]"NoneSeptember 27, 2022 (2022-09-27)
106"2022-2023 Supreme Court Term Preview"Hannah MullenOctober 4, 2022 (2022-10-04)
107"Tanner v. United States"NoneOctober 11, 2022 (2022-10-11)
TBA"Legal Discourse and Our Discontents [PATREON-ONLY]"NoneOctober 18, 2022 (2022-10-18)
TBA"Rhiannon Resigned and Peter Got Fired [PATREON-ONLY]"NoneOctober 21, 2022 (2022-10-21)
108"Independent State Legislature Theory"NoneNovember 1, 2022 (2022-11-01)
109"Bowers v. Hardwick"NoneNovember 1, 2022 (2022-11-01)
TBA"Samuel Alito [PATREON-ONLY]"NoneNovember 8, 2022 (2022-11-08)
TBA"Public Defenders: 'Incarceration Doesn't Make Us Safe' [PATREON-ONLY]"NoneNovember 11, 2022 (2022-11-11)
110"Utah v. Strieff"NoneNovember 15, 2022 (2022-11-15)
111"Glossip v. Gross"NoneNovember 22, 2022 (2022-11-22)
TBA"Sonia Sotomayor [PATREON-ONLY]"NoneDecember 6, 2022 (2022-12-06)
112"The Pelican Brief"NoneDecember 13, 2022 (2022-12-13)
113"The 2022 Five Four Giving Guide: More Ways to Help"NoneDecember 20, 2022 (2022-12-20)
114"5-4 Presents: If Books Could Kill - 'Outliers'"NoneDecember 27, 2022 (2022-12-27)

2023

No.TitleGuestOriginal release date
115"McDonnell v. United States"NoneJanuary 10, 2023 (2023-01-10)
116"Giles v. Harris"NoneJanuary 17, 2023 (2023-01-17)
TBA"Your Questions Answered"NoneJanuary 24, 2023 (2023-01-24)
Q&A session with the hosts.
117"Korematsu v. United States"NoneJanuary 31, 2023 (2023-01-31)
118"'Jones Day Made Trump' - Live at Harvard Law with David Enrich"NoneFebruary 7, 2023 (2023-02-07)
119"Connick v. Thompson Encore"NoneFebruary 14, 2023 (2023-02-14)
Rerun of episode 53.
TBA"Prosecutorial Immunity, or 'FTP' Means Prosecutors Too"NoneFebruary 21, 2023 (2023-02-21)
120"In re Gault with Josie Duffy Rice"Josie Duffy RiceFebruary 28, 2023 (2023-02-28)
121"Boyle v. United Technologies Corporation"NoneMarch 21, 2023 (2023-03-21)
122"5-4 x Bloc Party: Michael on How the Dems Flopped on Debt Relief"Bloc PartyMarch 28, 2023 (2023-03-28)
123"Cruzan v. Missouri Department of Health"NoneApril 4, 2023 (2023-04-04)
TBA"Noted Segregationist William Rehnquist [PATREON-ONLY]"NoneApril 11, 2023 (2023-04-11)
124"Ewing v. California"NoneApril 18, 2023 (2023-04-18)
TBA"The Thomas/Crow Affair [PATREON-ONLY]"NoneApril 25, 2023 (2023-04-25)
125"Palmer v. Thompson"NoneMay 2, 2023 (2023-05-02)
126"The Shadow Docket with Steve Vladeck"Steve VladeckMay 9, 2023 (2023-05-09)
127"United States v. O'Brien"NoneMay 23, 2023 (2023-05-23)
TBA"The Fall and Rise of the Death Penalty [PATREON-ONLY]"NoneMay 30, 2023 (2023-05-30)
128"Sierra Club v. Morton"NoneJune 6, 2023 (2023-06-06)
129"American Ship Building Company v. National Labor Relations Board"NoneJune 13, 2023 (2023-06-13)
130"Protecting Trans Rights with Erin Reed [UNLOCKED]"Erin ReedJune 22, 2023 (2023-06-22)
131"Sackett v. EPA (Sackett II)"NoneJune 27, 2023 (2023-06-27)
132"303 Creative LLC v. Elenis"NoneJuly 4, 2023 (2023-07-04)
133"Biden v. Nebraska"NoneJuly 11, 2023 (2023-07-11)
134"DeShaney v. Winnebago County Department of Social Services"NoneJuly 18, 2023 (2023-07-18)
TBA"2022-2023 Term Reflections [PATREON-ONLY]"NoneAugust 1, 2023 (2023-08-01)
135"Harisiades v. Shaughnessy"NoneAugust 8, 2023 (2023-08-08)
136"Students for Fair Admissions v. Harvard"NoneAugust 15, 2023 (2023-08-15)
TBA"The Twisted Mind of Clarence Thomas [PATREON-ONLY]"NoneAugust 22, 2023 (2023-08-22)
137"Welcome to Law School 2023"NoneAugust 29, 2023 (2023-08-29)
Second rerun of episode 68.
138"United States v. Sioux Nation with Nick Estes"Nick EstesSeptember 5, 2023 (2023-09-05)
TBA"Your Questions: Jury Nullification, Law School Reform, and More [PATREON-ONLY]"NoneSeptember 12, 2023 (2023-09-12)
Q&A session with the hosts.
139"2023-2024 Term Preview with Chris Geidner"Chris GeidnerSeptember 20, 2023 (2023-09-20)
140"Hampton v. United States"NoneSeptember 26, 2023 (2023-09-26)
TBA"The Southern Manifesto [PATREON-ONLY]"NoneOctober 3, 2023 (2023-10-03)
141"Berghuis v. Tompkins"NoneOctober 10, 2023 (2023-10-10)
142"Geduldig v. Aiello"NoneOctober 17, 2023 (2023-10-17)
143"Palestine Legal: 'The Great Difference a Movement Lawyer Can Make'"Dylan Saba, Radhika SainathOctober 24, 2023 (2023-10-24)
TBA"Legally Blonde [PATREON-ONLY]"NoneOctober 31, 2023 (2023-10-31)
TBA"A Note From Rhiannon"NoneNovember 7, 2023 (2023-11-07)
144"Schenck v. United States"NoneNovember 14, 2023 (2023-11-14)
145"Richardson v. Ramirez"NoneNovember 21, 2023 (2023-11-21)
TBA"Abe Fortas: The Justice Who Walked So Clarence Thomas Could Run [PATREON-ONLY]"NoneNovember 28, 2023 (2023-11-28)
146"Glacier Northwest, Inc. v. International Brotherhood of Teamsters"NoneDecember 5, 2023 (2023-12-05)
TBA"Epic Fail! Constitutional Amendments That Didn't Make the Grade [PATREON-ONLY]"NoneDecember 12, 2023 (2023-12-12)

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